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Disappointed in CBC/ Via Rail [Jul. 9th, 2005|06:16 pm]
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Basically, a CBC reporter waits in line and gets on a Via Rail train at Union Station, without a ticket. Via calls this "disturbing" and CBC calls it a "breach".

Whatever! This entirely misrepresents what goes on at the Via train station. They don't check tickets before you get in as a matter of routine. I've ridden there dozens of time this year, and I've never been checked until I'm on the train and we're underway. It's not just this station: others use this too. It's makes things fast (an appreciated property when talking about public transit), and in the rare case when people try to scam rides, they get caught (there's nowhere to go on a moving train) and are charged. They ask you where you're going before you get on the train too, so there's no chance of you getting on the wrong line. It was a system that worked, and if it wasn't official, it was so tacit that not once did I see it done otherwise.

So CBC radio reporter Dave Seglins obviously saw a sweet cherry of a story after the London bombings, a "it could happen here too" angle that was just waiting to be picked FOR YEARS. Argh: it makes me angry that this is being reported like it's something unusual. Of course it's easy to get on public transit! It's public transit.

Worst of all, what did this stunt prove? The guy got on a train without a ticket. Woo hoo. At least now the terrorists will have to be sure to drop that $10 on a train ticket, and the lineups will be that much longer.

SUMMARY: I'm disappointed that Via didn't admit that this is how things are done for good reasons, and I'm disappointed that CBC would play the terrorism card like that. Next week: a CBC radio reporter got on a bus through the rear door, and WAS NEVER ASKED FOR HIS TRANSFER.
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[User Picture]From: mentalmakeup
2005-07-09 03:20 pm (UTC)
Seriously, VIA train tickets are like "Here is cash" "Thank you move along". It's not like his ticket would have forced him onto the train when it moved. As if we'd be somewhat more secure if he'd had the ticket, dropped a bomb in the baggage carry and scarpered.

Fuckwits.
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[User Picture]From: qwantz
2005-07-09 03:21 pm (UTC)
I sent something similar to this to the CBC, and am now looking for Dave Seglins email address!

JUST SO HE KNOWS
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[User Picture]From: mentalmakeup
2005-07-09 03:23 pm (UTC)
I bet they air it right away

I bet he says, "Sorry Ryan, you are right, this is not news and I am full of soggy shame"

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[User Picture]From: qwantz
2005-07-09 03:29 pm (UTC)
I email *A* Dave Seglins, here's hoping it's the right one!
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[User Picture]From: qwantz
2005-07-09 07:06 pm (UTC)
Hah! That would probably be up there with the most surreal emails this guy has ever got, *especially* if he's never heard of my comic.
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[User Picture]From: hired_penguin
2005-07-09 07:19 pm (UTC)
DO IT
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From: jhobartb
2005-07-10 12:22 am (UTC)
I think it's more of a Utahraptor thing to say, but I submit that it is still a capitol idea.
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[User Picture]From: kubilai9
2005-07-09 03:25 pm (UTC)
city transit is like that here too. people ride all the time without tickets, but the fines for getting caught are simply not worth the risk.

... do they really want terrorist inspections at every bus/train door?
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[User Picture]From: glummdead
2005-07-09 03:31 pm (UTC)
no they just want you to be afraid
:/
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[User Picture]From: weds
2005-07-09 03:31 pm (UTC)
SHOCK as CBC Radio One Toronto has... NO REAL NEWS.
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[User Picture]From: weds
2005-07-09 05:03 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: snowmit
2005-07-09 03:34 pm (UTC)
Someday a reporter will kill someone, hide out for two weeks and then write an "exclusive Expose!" about how they didn't get caught.
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[User Picture]From: v1agra
2005-07-09 04:23 pm (UTC)
that was the running gag on mr. show!
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[User Picture]From: v1agra
2005-07-09 04:23 pm (UTC)
"making news, as it happens"
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[User Picture]From: girlsgirlsgirls
2005-07-09 04:45 pm (UTC)
omg so hot
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[User Picture]From: talktooloose
2005-07-09 03:52 pm (UTC)
I once totally carried nail clippers onto the express train between Toronto and Montreal. Furthermore, somewhere around Kingston...

I TOTALLY CLIPPED MY NAILS WITH THEM.
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[User Picture]From: momomoto
2005-07-09 04:01 pm (UTC)
Shhhhh! Ryan! Don't tell the world about sneaking onto the back of the buses! I've only been caught once so far, and I got off with a warning and a one-year "catch-you-again-and-we'll-charge-you-and-maybe-break-your-pass-flipping-finger" probation.

Never happens here in London, though, because they never open the back doors. Probably to stop damn university students from using their free passes to scam their way in. Also: because there are never more than three people getting on a bus at one time, unless you're on campus.
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[User Picture]From: bizrodian
2005-07-09 07:28 pm (UTC)
Ever since I got my lip ring (two weeks ago), I've been asked TWICE to come up to the front of the bus and show my pass. Never been asked before (in two years of using OCT), though. I think it's probably a coincidence, because I don't think you can even see my lip ring at such a distance!
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[User Picture]From: momomoto
2005-07-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
The inspectors are out a lot more often, too: I think we were even shaken down on the 85 once.

Though I'd rather be on OC and have my pass checked than be on London Transit and take 70 minutes to travel 10km any day of the week.
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[User Picture]From: v1agra
2005-07-09 04:21 pm (UTC)
i noticed when joey and i were on amtrak and via in may how easy it would be in a lot of places to get on without tickets. you can just get on the train and they take the ticket 15 minutes after you've left the station. to me, this means you could get on the train and then just sit in the bathroom til after the ticket taking process was over, or hang out in the lounge instead. to some maybe that means getting on a train and planting a bomb, but i dunno. if you're going to bomb a train, why risk it? why not buy a ticket to montreal for 112 dollars?


also: if you want to blow something up with lots of people on it, why are you on a via rail train?

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[User Picture]From: girlsgirlsgirls
2005-07-09 04:46 pm (UTC)
this is totally normal for LOTS of trains
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[User Picture]From: ccurry
2005-07-10 11:21 am (UTC)
On Amtrak, at least the Amtrak trains I have ridden, they take your ticket, but they also put a tag above your seat saying where you got on and where you are getting off. I suppose one COULD sit in the dining car (where they don't "tag" you) and then get off wherever. I wonder if that could work? I also heard some amtrak employees talking about congress shutting down the amtrak system (for long range at first) in the US. Apparently they think the economy would be better off if people were forced to buy cars and ride on planes.....I somehow got way off topic here....sorry.
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From: bightchee
2005-07-09 04:27 pm (UTC)
On the Long Island Railroad in New York you can ride it sometimes and not get asked for your ticket. I always hold on to the ticket so I can get some use out of it later if I'm ever asked for it.
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[User Picture]From: weatherwise
2005-07-09 04:31 pm (UTC)
Ugh. I hope they don't start going security-crazy at Via. I really enjoyed riding the train this summer precisely because it was so much more humane than flying. I hate being always-already a suspect.
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[User Picture]From: girlsgirlsgirls
2005-07-09 04:45 pm (UTC)
I rode the bus from NYC to Boston and when I got off there was this annoyed lady at the bus station, bitching on and on about how the security wasn't safe like at airports there. I was like DAMN, HO!
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[User Picture]From: girlsgirlsgirls
2005-07-09 04:46 pm (UTC)
*bangs head against wall*
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[User Picture]From: qwantz
2005-07-09 07:04 pm (UTC)

Re: Dear CBC

This is much more well-written than the letter I dashed off! Did you send it to them?

You should, if you haven't already! I hope I got the right Dave with my email, but how many Dave Seglins are there associated with CBC radio? Hopefully: one!
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[User Picture]From: rly
2005-07-09 05:44 pm (UTC)
If I was going to blow something up, it sure wouldn't be a VIA train. But only because they look cool and I'd feel bad about blowing up a cool-looking train.

Also: "Some commuters into Toronto also noticed no extra security."

Why the fuck would there be any need extra security on long-distance trains in Toronto because there were bombs on the subway and a bus half a world away? Ugh.
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[User Picture]From: boofuls
2005-07-09 05:47 pm (UTC)
$10 says that the reporter was just catching the train without a ticket, got busted, and suddenly brainwaved himself out of it with the testing-the-security-of-public-transport-angle.

"Sir, may I see your ticket?"

"HA, see? No. Got you. Cuz, uh... terrorism?"
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[User Picture]From: qwantz
2005-07-09 07:05 pm (UTC)
Hah! Gold.
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[User Picture]From: bizrodian
2005-07-09 07:20 pm (UTC)
CBC seems to be bad for this thing lately, in my experience.

A few weeks back, a Canjet plane flew with an unpressurized cabin, but flew at a lower altitude because of a mechanical issue. This is normal and acceptable by Transport Canada.

Some people complained about ears popping and whatnot.

While Canjet probably should have just canned the flight, and no doubt made a bunch of errors in judgement (a big bunch!), but the CBC made it look like the trip was a trip from hell and whatnot, while I suspect few actually really cared, and were more annoyed by the delays and having to land at another airport and stuff (I think this was weather related.)

They interviewed a little girl at the end, who Canjet bussed up, instead of flying the rest of the way. They asked her if she was happy she bussed the rest of the way instead of flying. She said yes, because the flight was "boring", she didn't give a damn about her ears popping. So they just lead her on until she did.

Really annoying.
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From: flynd
2005-07-10 08:05 am (UTC)
Of course it's easy to get on public transit! It's public transit.

THANK YOU. This is going on in my city, also. Madness. STUPID madness, which is worse.

Also: how the hell is beefing ticket-security going to make any difference to a sucicide bomber? This point has perhaps been made already?

There seems to be an underlying smugness about it not-having-happened-here-yet, also. Damn news. Useless.
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[User Picture]From: realestate
2005-07-10 09:30 am (UTC)
It is the CBC. Honestly, domestic policy is very, very boring.
a story this long is prominent on the same page, and just look at the national page! most of it is news about other countries. Yes, stupid stuff like this is being sensationalized, but then again, if something THAT moronic can make front page news, perhaps it is a good thing. I would rather groan at pathetic stories like this then, say, read about a shooting. i agree, though, that this is the lowest form of reporting.
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[User Picture]From: anadamous
2005-07-10 10:39 am (UTC)
Mad props!
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[User Picture]From: mr_rakshasa
2005-07-11 01:36 am (UTC)
I figured out three ways through our "stringent" security here at Liverpool this morning, and at least one of them's airtight and not a result of some delusion of mine!
Tomorrow, I'm bringing a book in so I won't have to entertain myself in this fashion any further.
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[User Picture]From: asterphage
2005-07-13 11:25 am (UTC)
Heh, I saw a similar post recently on some New Jerseyan website about the NJ trains that go into New York City... It was a letter written to New Jersey Transit. The person was like "no one ever checks my ticket. what's with all the rate hikes? is there a connection? HMMMM?"
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